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Haplogroup I, my GORDON DNA

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To see a DNA study into my relationship with other Gordon lines follow this link. There is other information about possible source information for the Gordon surname.

To see the my Gordon line from 1635 to the present follow this link.

So now scientist think Amino acids, microbes, and other complex carbon atoms are passengers on asteroids and comets, refered to as meteorites if the strike the earth. The meteorites therefore delivered the building blocks of life as well as water to this planet. What about this right handed/left handed molecule disparity? They furthermore think the rate of evolution of new species correlates to the rate of impacts from meteorites. WOW. Below is the chart of some of the events that have taken place to make it possible that I can exist. You know, that extensive breeding program that culminates in ME.


The dates in this table are sort of averages. You can find many different opinions about these events. I personally believe the DNA scientists will end up refining there time frame to correspond to a quicker mutational rate. Just a hunch. I think there is too much diversity in the time frame they use.

There are continuity difficulties on this chart, because of the various differing opinions. Use it only as a rough guideline.
Years before Present Event
16 - 13.7 billion
Big Bang Theory, begining of Universe
13 billion
Formation of huge, fast burning stars. They manufacture all elements up to iron, in their normal process. When they collapse and explode, even heavier elements are formed and spread through out the early universe. All future construction will be from the seeds of these first stars. We are made from this material, as is everything in the entire universe.
4.7 billion
Formation of Milky Way Galxay and our Solar System
4 - 3 billion
Formation of amino acids, bacteria, finally algae. This is the start of DNA
1.5 billion
Eukaryotes that became mitochondrial DNA first imported into cells, started as symbiotic relationship
700 million
"Snowball Earth" Ice Age, kills most life virtually encases the entire planet in ice.
65 million
Meteorite impact changes atmosphere, kills dinosaurs
2.4 million
Homo habilis, uses crude stone tools.
2 million
Homo erectus.
1.7 million
Series of climate changes that inevitably lead to ice ages. These ice ages create hardships for early man, that increases his thinking ability.
1.7 million
Some Homo erectus leave Africa
1.5 million
Acheulian tool making, this culture is spread from Africa to Southern Europe and South East Asia. There are 800,000 year old hand axes, of this classification, in China. Also use of fire in Kenya.
1 million
Early man may have used simple language.
500,000
Homo erectus' brain case has grown 25% during his tenure. He starts to use fire, and has spread from Africa to Europe, Asia and China.
400,000
Homo sapiens archaic appear.
250,000 - 28,000
Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis appears. DNA shows some have red hair, green eyes, and pale skin. They also have the genes that allow us to enunciate? They shared locales with modern humans for thousands of years. Neanderthal survived for 200,000 years while modern humans have only been around for 100,000 years so far.
190,000 - 130,000
Possible drought in Africa that may have caused a bottleneck of humanity.
90,000 - 50,000
Homo sapiens appear, in the area of the Great African Rift. This southwestern area of Africa is full of fossil remains.
70,000
Mount Toba in Sumatra erupts, climatic change leads to 1,000 years of possibly the coldest ice age, average temprature was 9C lower than modern times. Another possible bottleneck, roughly 15,000 humans survived, mostly in equatorial Africa.
60,000
10,000 Homo sapiens live in southern Africa.
50,000
Enviromental changes cause early humans leave Africa. They migrate up the coast eventually arriving in India and Austrailia. The first recognizable abstract thinking appears. Tools with discernable functions, art, organization, jewelry, and burial are the examples sited. My question is- how did this spread across the entire globe in just a few thousand years. People had spread from Africa to Austrialia and from Spain to Japan. Did these early people communicate and travel back and forth enough to spread this new Human intelligence? Or did it appear universally in multiple areas?
40,000
Cro-Magnon man appears. 50,000 year line also attributed to Cro-Magnon man.
35,000
A second migration from Africa. These people go to Asia, there they split and one branch goes to East Asia and another goes toward Europe.
34,000-23,000
Aurignacian Culture in Europe, thought to be Haplogroup R.
30,000
Neanderthals close to extinction.
28,000 23,000
Gravettian Culture thought to be Haplogroup I. They made Venus figurines, and mammoth bone structures. Possibly displaced, or assimilated, some Haplogroup R peoples from the Aurignacion Culture, see above.
24,000
The last Ice Age was just starting. It will continue for about 6,000 years.
20,000
Humans are in Greece.
15,000
Humans have crossed the Bering Straits into America.
11,000BC-8400BC
Ahrensburg Culture, northern Germany. Mesolithic Hunter/Gatherer groups. 6-8 people lived in Segebro, near Malmo, the Southern tip of Sweden.
10,000
 
7000BC
Maglemosian in Sweden and Fosna-Hensbaka in Norway. Mesolithic fisheries
6000BC
Kongemose in Southern Scandinavian Territory, Nostvet and Liholt in North. England and Europe are still connected by a land bridge. Rising sea levels will cover the bridge in the next few generations.
5000BC
Ertebolle Culture
4000BC
Funnel/Beaker people, pushed north into Sweden and Uppland
4000BC
Nostvet-Liholt become Pitted Ware people. Agriculture, Livestock
5500BC
Northern Africa dries out. Saraha desert starts to form.
3000BC, or 5000BP
Battle Axe Culture, thought to be the first Germanic Peoples
1800BC - 500BC
Bronze age in Norway
500BC - 400AD
Early or Roman Iron Age
98AD - 555AD
Sami or Finns reside in the area that is now Northern Sweden and Finland, domesticated Reindeer c 500AD. Sami are 40% haplo I
550AD - 800AD
Vendels in Southern Sweden
687AD
Vikings destroy Monastery at Whitbey, England.
793AD
Lindesfarne Monastery sacked.
1814AD
Norwegian Independance from Sweden
 
 

Root Stock
94,000
Years Before Present
The dates given for these mutations are Years Before Present.
There are varying opinions on the actual timeline for these mutations! Each box representing a HaploGroup actually represents a single individual, who is the father for all groups and individuals following in that HG. Each Haplogroup would have further branches and divisions, this chart only pertains to my version of HG I. HG F and its descendants constitute 90% of Earths male population. Most peoples of Africa, Tibet, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Japan, Polynesia, and indigenous Australians do not descend from HG F.
M91
M42, M94, M139,257, 299, SRY-10831a
82,000 YBP
Parent for HaploGroups B → R
HG A
42,800 YBP
M16, M181, 249
M168, M294,
50,000YBP
M89, M213, M235
45,000 YBP
Parent for HG F → R
HG B
36,800 YBP
RPS4Y, M216, M316
YAP, M145, M203
HG F
50,300 YBP
M261
M69
S22 → I,J
2nd out of Africa migration. 45,000 YBP
(Cro-Magnon)
M9
Parent for HG K → R
HG C
27,500 YBP
M174
SRY, M96, P29, 4064
HG G
6,400 YBP
HG H
3,800 YBP
M170, M258, P19
20,000 YBP
M12f2.a, M304
HG K

35,600
YBP
M20, M22, M11, M61
M4, M5, M106, P35, M189, M186
LLY22g
M175, M204
92R7, P27, M45, M74
Parent for HG P → R
HG D
13,000 YBP
HG E
17,400 YBP
HG I
20,000 years BP
Gravettian Culture?
HG J
9,800
YBP
HG L
2,900 YBP
HG M
12,700 YBP
HG N
8,800 YBP
HG O
17,500 YBP
HG P
29,900 YBP
M242
M207
Haplogroup I is distinguished by the M170 marker. That is the filp flop of A->C at the M170 location.

Researchers think early Paleolithic hunter gatherers were comprised HaploGroup I, IJ peoples. They occupied "Europe" between 40,000 and 7,000 years ago. The Gravettian Culture, about 22,000 years ago, is contributed to haplogroup I.

During the last ice age, 18,000 years ago, haplogroup I peoples "holed up" in the Balkans and the Iberian peninsula. Roughly 10,000 year ago there may have been a migration of these people south from Scandinavia.

The megalithic structures in Europe are attributed to haplogroup I. The Ertebolle, 5300-3950BCE, and FunnelBeaker, 4000-2700BCE, cultures are thaught to have been I1a domains.

R1 came on the scene and displaced I in the 3000BCE time frame. This lends creadance to the possibility that ALL I1 peoples descend from a sinlge male around 5000 years ago.

HG I1
YBP
It appears that these early groups of Humans were assimilating each other as they migrated. Haplogroup I is thought to have arrived in Europe 20,000-25,000 years ago. Giving rise to the belief that the Gravettian Culture (HG I) replaced the Aurignacian Culture (HG R), in south western Europe. The R1b would then have become the Solutrean Culture. Some descendants of Haplogroup I may be associated with the Celtic peoples, as they were absorbed into that culture.
HG Q
17,700 YBP
HG R
16,300 YBP
M253, P40,
P30, M307
HG I1a
6,000-10,000 YBP
Some think this mutation took place in what would become southern France 6,000 Years ago
Smaller HaploType divisions within I1a
M227
M21
M72
M223
HT
I1a-N

Norse
HT
I1a-AS
AngloSaxon
HT
I1a-T
Transitional
HG
I1a1
HG
I1a2
HG
I1a3
HG
I1a4
HT
I1a-uN

ultra Norse
HT
I1a-uN2

Migrations into England, that may contain people of haplogroup I
TimePeopleOrigin HaploNotes
30,000BC
 
Mainland Europe
 
Forced back to mainland by last Ice Age
8,000BC
hunter-gatherers
Mainland Europe
 
returned after last Ice Age
 
Beaker People
 
 
 
4500BC
Picts
 
 
Some include these people w/Celts
 
Scoti
Ireland
R1b
Ireland is high % R1b
1500-400BC
Celts
 
G,I,R1b
Different sources give different haplos. Some also include Gaels, Scoti
55BC-410AD
Romans
Italy
R1b,J,I,E3b
Pickup recruits along the way, could have any European or Middle Eastern DNA
525AD
Suevi
Southern Sweden
I,R1b
Can have R1b, and R1a
400-600AD
Angles
Denmark/Germany
R1b,I
 
400-600AD
Saxons
Denmark/Germany
R1b,I
 
 
Jutes
Denmark/Germany
R1b,I
 
 
Frisians
Low Countries
R1b,I
Swedish ancestry
 
Franks
France
R1b,I,
 
798AD
Norse
Norway
R1b,I,
Isle of Mann, a viking center of operations.
800sAD
Norse
Norway
R1b,I,
Faroe Islands.
870AD
Norse
Norway
R1b,I,
Iceland.
789-1184AD
Danes/Norwegians
 
I
Any Viking group will have a % of R1b, and a smaller % of R1a
1066AD
Norman Vikings
Normandy
I,R1b
Mix of Vikings and resident France stock.
1337-1550AD
Low Countries
 
 
Flemish and Wallons
 
 
 
 
 

I have been looking at ice age maps, and changable sea level coast maps. They all show less ice than the DNA peoples' ideas. From 24,000 to 13,000 years a ago the ice was in the Alps, but the main ice sheet did not extend south that far. They also claim Siberia and Eastern Asia were warmer than now.?????? The Steppe/Tundra is Steppe in the south and changes to tundra as you travel north.

I am assembling this map and the table below to look for the common thread for the testers who have some relationship to me. The map shows the migratory route of haplogroup I (M170 mutation) in gray. The darker gray is the area 30%-40% concentration. The lighter gray is roughly 15%-30% concentration. The purple arrows represent Scandinavian movement of haplogroup I in more modern times, say, 450AD until 1100AD and the time of William the Conqueror. Latvia, Slovakia and the Czech Republic have under 15% density. There are a few higher density areas in Russia such as, Adygea, Belgorod. This chart basically concerns itself with haplo "I". To see more about other haplos try this PDF pie chart.

The 3 green elipses represent concentrations of I1a-uN, within Haplogroup I. 29% in Norway, 24% Finlad, 16% in Denmark. The concentrations taper down to 3% in southern Germany. In the Anglo-Saxon version of haplogroup I there is no incidence of uN mutations.

Each red dot represents a family line from the table below. I hope to find a cluster of dots somewhere in Norway, or maybe France. If there are no matches in France that could exlude this DNA from the Normandy Vikings.

There should be a trail of stay behind "relatives".

The lineages listed below are provided by various DNA matching sites. The farthest back is about 1589. I don't expect to find a MRCA before 1000AD, maybe even 450AD(early Scandinavian outflow).

Swedes immigrated to England in 525AD. Viking incursions didn't start with the Lindisfarne monastery in 793, but that was the begining of serious raiding.

I need to consider the "bowl of meal Gordons" as a possible branching place. This would possibly attach me to another line about 1350AD. A Gordon Lord (possibly Alexander Seton/Gordon) offered that anyone could take the name Gordon in exchange for a "bow a meal".


Genetic Distance info DNA, test matches
Kit # Genetic Distance @25 Markers Family Names Location Farthest Ancestor Notes
 
2
Anderson
Norway
Ole b 1828
Possible root in Sweden, Denmark, or Northern Germany.
 
1
Bentley
Lancashire, Derbyshire, Yorkshire, ENG
William b 1589
First found in Lancashire and Yorkshire, England. Many place name originations for this surname
 
1
Bloomfield
Scotland
 
 
 
1
Blundell
Scotland
 
 
 
4@37
Braithwaite
Cumbria, Yorkshire, ENG
Marmaduke b 1667
1st found in Cumberland or Yorkshire, England. Possible Danelaw importation.
 
2
Buchanan
Argyll, Kirkudbright, Scotland
Alexander b 1772
 
 
2
Crompton
Crompton, Lancashire, England
 
Descendants in Australia
 
0
Gordon
Berwickshire/ Aberdeenshire, SCT
Alexander b 1635
 
 
4@37
Hemmingsen
Hemmings is a Pict name
 
. Search map for Tromso, Trom, Norway.
 
1
Johnson
Scotland
 
 
 
1
Karlyle
Scotland
 
 
 
2
Lewis
Isle of Lewis?
 
MacLughaidh
 
2
Mac Innes
Scotland
Donald b 1812
Duncan 1818 Glen Coe SCT
 
1
MacIntyre
Scotland
 
 
 
1
MacLaren
Scotland
 
 
 
1
McConley
Argyll, Scotland
McOnlea
 
 
1
McNeill
Islands west of SCT.
Daniel b 1750
displaced Scotsman
 
1
Miles
Scotland
 
 
 
1
Minter
Scotland
 
 
 
1
Neely
Scotland
 
 
 
1
Neese
Scotland
 
 
 
2
Ottesen
Belgium?
 
Otto's son
 
2
Presley
Germany
Johanne Valentine Pressler
 
 
1
Riggs
Lancashire ENG, Ross, Cromarty SCT
 
Earlier resided in Ayrshire SCT.
 
1
Robbins
Scotland
 
 
 
1
Sole
Cambridgeshire, England
Valery b 1620
Name is a reference to Subligny, Normandy, France. Came with the 1066 invasion.
 
1
Syms
Kingsteignton or Devon England.
John b 1740
First found in East Lothian, Scotland. Interesting DNA page
 
2
Tipton
Eng slave ship to Jamaica/England
Jonathan b 1659
1st found in Shropshire, England. Possibly Dunbar/Worchester prisoner, transported 1651/52.
 
2
Wagley
Norway/Sweden
 
 
 
1
Wamstad
Scotland
 
 
 
1
Ward
Scotland
 
 
 
2
Weddle
Scotland
 
First found in Midlothian, Stow Parish, Wedale, near Edinburgh.
 
1
Whittaker
Scotland
 
 
 
4@37
Wilcox
Leichestershire,Eng
 
Anglo-Saxon, Germanic origination
 
1
Yates
Gloucestershire, England
 
Name came with the Normans in 1066 Invasion. First recorded in 1198

While working on the above charts, I see multiple paths that would move this basic DNA into the British Isles. Migration must have been up to Norway first. Then after the development of the I1a-uN2 mutation, some of this line spread from Norway back through Denmark to Germany and Belgium, to become part of the Anglo-Saxon/Jute migration to England, during the same time frame the Suevi(Sewdes)were also moving in. Slightly later more of this line would have been part of the Rollo group in Normandy, France that led to the 1066 Norman invasion of England. Through all that time there could still have been men on the Viking raiding ships, and small settlements all around the British Isles. With the above information I make these 2 assumptions;

Fisrt, some of these people were in the British Isles before surnaming became the norm, so they get different surnames from locations, professions or whatever. That helps to explain some of the different surnames.

Second, they don't all come from a single, British Isle, source ancestor. There are multiple immigrations, of this DNA stock, to the British Isles. Possibly some started from Viking settlements in the Shetland Islands, or the Northeastern Scottish coast line, or the Danelaw influx. Covering a time frame from as far back as 400AD and continuing through 1066AD. There is also the possibility of Normandy invasion particapants, bringing the DNA. A couple of the surnames , Sole and Yates, came from France with the Normans.

I would think some of the listings might connect in the British Isles, but some will not link until we come to the common Norse ancestor. In my opinion having something like the I1a-uN2 rather than undifferentiated I is a positive. Now you know you have a stopping point in Norway or Northern Sweden, followed by a trip back through Germany to the Balkans.

  DNA, "Y" Chromosome, Segment; DYS#
Kit # Family
Dates, Location
or other
Pertinent
Information
H
a
p
l
o
g
r
o
u
p
3
9
3
3
9
0
1
9
3
9
1
3
8
5
a
3
8
5
b
4
2
6
3
8
8
4
3
9
3
8
9
|
1
3
9
2
3
8
9
|
2
4
5
8
4
5
9
a
4
5
9
b
4
5
5
4
5
4
4
4
7
4
3
7
4
4
8
4
4
9
4
6
4
a
4
6
4
b
4
6
4
c
4
6
4
d
4
6
0
G
A
T
A

H
4
Y
C
A

I
I

a
Y
C
A

I
I

b
4
5
6
6
0
7
5
7
6
5
7
0
C
D
Y

a
C
D
Y

b
4
4
2
4
3
8
Loci ---> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37
35965 3 changes since a common ancestor born 1635???? Predicted
I1a
13 23
22
14 10 14 15 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 21 29 11 14 14 16 10 10 19 21 14 14 17 19
20
37
36
38 12 10

Modal haplotype I1a-uN2

13 23 14 10 14 15 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 20 29 11 14 14 16 10 11 19 21 14 14 17 20 35 38 12 10

This DNA fits into the I1a-uN2 type. There are 2 additional markers 461, and 462, that aren't part of the normal 37 marker test. Ken Nordtvedt has an interesting page about haplogroup I . His studies indicate the differences within haplogroup I. In I1a-uN2, the uN2 denotes ultra Norse2. uN2 is more likely to be from Norway rather than Sweden or Denmark, and certainly wouldn't derive from south of the Baltic or North Sea. In view of this information the above DNA is descended from Norwegian Vikings. Actually the mutations that distinguish I1a-uN2 took place in Scandinavia. That should make it easier to find a common link there. Having this Haplotype will definantly narrow the field of search. YSTR places this DNA in haplotype I1a-#26.

The haplotype for the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes is refered to as I1a-AS. I will have to study further to see of uN2 has been renamed to I1a...something or other.

Whit Athey has a haplogroup predictor available, which calculated these results as a 68% fit into I1a. Along with the haplogroup, FTDNA generates an REO (Recent Ethnic Origin) table. The REO for this DNA matches 4-6% of testers in Norway, Iceland, Isle of Mann, and Scotland.

Using the 25 marker tests, there are 1 step matches with surnames Andersson, Johnson, and McConley. There are 2 step matches with surnames Buchanon, MacInnes, MacLaren, Ottesen, Tipton, and Yates. However when you step up to the 37 marker test the results change considerably. The closest relationships are 4 steps. Braithwaite, Hemmingsen, and Syms are the only ones left. People in the know say these markers are slow to change. Perhaps 1 change every 500 generations. Using that math, I would not be related to Braithwaite, Hemmingsen, or Syms within 10,000 years. I probably share a common ancestor with these particular testers. Their DNA tests are as varied as the Gordon, with multiple groupings, which indicate multiple originations for their surname (or some other method was used to transfer that particular DNA). The Tipton surname arrived in America about 100 years after Alexander Gordon. The Andersson, Buchanon, and Johnson testers are in Scotland.

Rollo 1st Duke of Normandy, was born in Maer, Nord Trondelag, Norway between 845 and 870 AD. His band is the basic stock for the Normandy France people that invaded England in 1066. It doesn't exclude this DNA lineage, but doesn't prove anything yet.

At this point in time we have a 12/12 a 36.5/37, and a 37/37 match up with other Alexander Gordon descendants. The 36.5 and 37 matches both descend through Thomas(6) Gordon born 1678.